Hello,
Can someone explain this to me:
We have dotted minims with a sixteenth note staff ???? I understand that it fits in three beats but that's all! Thank you for your clarifications!
Can someone explain this to me:
We have dotted minims with a sixteenth note staff ???? I understand that it fits in three beats but that's all! Thank you for your clarifications!
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EgoMe
10/01/2016
Good morning,
see (Abb. 27-2): http://www.mu-sig.de/Theorie/Notation/Notation08.htm
Hi
see (Abb. 27-2): http://www.mu-sig.de/Theorie/Notation/Notation08.htm
Hi
survoje
10/01/2016
Good thing I have Google Translate :)
Thanks anyway!
so I went to Wikipedia for the explanation!https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trémolo#Notation
Thanks anyway!
so I went to Wikipedia for the explanation!https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trémolo#Notation
jphf51
10/01/2016
Hello,
This rhythmic figure from "return of the swallows" indicates that you have to execute on the duration of the note figure (here a dotted crescent) sixteenth notes by alternating the high note and the low note : Fa-la in sixteenth note during 3 beats (Waltz),
You can find this writing in a lot of classical pieces too.
Remark : you can execute this rhythmic figure at will on long notes to give this kind of vibrato to imitate for example mandolins and other strings (sirtaki, for example), attention it is not a trill where the execution is almost similar but on a gap of 1/2 tone only, in your example it is generally a gap of sixth or third (major or minor depending on the key of the piece)
Sincerely
This rhythmic figure from "return of the swallows" indicates that you have to execute on the duration of the note figure (here a dotted crescent) sixteenth notes by alternating the high note and the low note : Fa-la in sixteenth note during 3 beats (Waltz),
You can find this writing in a lot of classical pieces too.
Remark : you can execute this rhythmic figure at will on long notes to give this kind of vibrato to imitate for example mandolins and other strings (sirtaki, for example), attention it is not a trill where the execution is almost similar but on a gap of 1/2 tone only, in your example it is generally a gap of sixth or third (major or minor depending on the key of the piece)
Sincerely
survoje
10/01/2016
First excuse for not quoting the excerpt, indeed it's from the "return of the swallows"!
Thank you for this clear explanation of a very technical thing!
Sincerely
Thank you for this clear explanation of a very technical thing!
Sincerely
survoje
11/01/2016
So this is just a simplification-convention of the writing?
The first measure of the example should be written like that ?
and that's how it's done! :)
The first measure of the example should be written like that ?
and that's how it's done! :)
jphf51
11/01/2016
Re-
Indeed it avoids to fill measures with marked notes, attention in your example there is a very small error, there must be only 12 sixteenth notes per measure and not 24 for 3 beats (4 sixteenths per beat).
But for the technical realization if you want to be VERY respectful of the musical convention you do what is written but for my part I never counted the number of notes in my tremolos !!! I do as I can (I don't have a great technique and I can't go very fast), when I'm on stage I'm not competing for the world championships !!!! and my dancer friends don't ask themselves if there were 12 sixteenth notes in tremolo in The Return of the Swallows !!!!
Sincerely
Indeed it avoids to fill measures with marked notes, attention in your example there is a very small error, there must be only 12 sixteenth notes per measure and not 24 for 3 beats (4 sixteenths per beat).
But for the technical realization if you want to be VERY respectful of the musical convention you do what is written but for my part I never counted the number of notes in my tremolos !!! I do as I can (I don't have a great technique and I can't go very fast), when I'm on stage I'm not competing for the world championships !!!! and my dancer friends don't ask themselves if there were 12 sixteenth notes in tremolo in The Return of the Swallows !!!!
Sincerely
survoje
11/01/2016
At first it was just a question about a piece of music writing that I had never seen before.
I learned something! Thank you very much and good luck!
I learned something! Thank you very much and good luck!
jphf51
11/01/2016
But that's exactly what the SUPER FORUM of P.A. is for, we are a big community and everybody has his place to ask all the questions for which he doesn't have the answer and those who know and have a great pleasure to share their knowledge.
Sincerely to all
Jean-Pierre
Sincerely to all
Jean-Pierre
survoje
12/01/2016
I thought I was done with this subject :)
if I want to replace for reasons of lack of technicality, I can "advantageously", implied musically even if it sounds less "rich", by this which is found elsewhere on the score?
Personally, I would think that maybe yes, but I prefer the opinion of someone who plays it (the sixteenth-note tremolo!!!). Or would it not be the same?
Sincerely
if I want to replace for reasons of lack of technicality, I can "advantageously", implied musically even if it sounds less "rich", by this which is found elsewhere on the score?
Personally, I would think that maybe yes, but I prefer the opinion of someone who plays it (the sixteenth-note tremolo!!!). Or would it not be the same?
Sincerely
jphf51
12/01/2016
Re-
It is not quite the same thing, this musical passage is more a variation on a theme where the first note is the melodic line (that we accentuate in general to make it stand out)
we can play the theme then first variation in eighth notes and then 2nd variation in triplets of eighth notes (as in return of the swallows) then for the extra strong in 3rd variation with 4 sixteenth notes
If you know the java CA GAZE, you have a nice example of this kind of variations in the three rhythms (eighth note, triplet-eighth note, sixteenth note) in the TRIO in D major.
To come back to the tremolos, while waiting to be able to play them regularly (and in the tempo!!!) it is better to replace them by "plated" chords of 2 or 3 notes respecting the keys and if your accordion has a full musette register, use it by playing the passage to the higher octave: guaranteed effect!!!
It is not quite the same thing, this musical passage is more a variation on a theme where the first note is the melodic line (that we accentuate in general to make it stand out)
we can play the theme then first variation in eighth notes and then 2nd variation in triplets of eighth notes (as in return of the swallows) then for the extra strong in 3rd variation with 4 sixteenth notes
If you know the java CA GAZE, you have a nice example of this kind of variations in the three rhythms (eighth note, triplet-eighth note, sixteenth note) in the TRIO in D major.
To come back to the tremolos, while waiting to be able to play them regularly (and in the tempo!!!) it is better to replace them by "plated" chords of 2 or 3 notes respecting the keys and if your accordion has a full musette register, use it by playing the passage to the higher octave: guaranteed effect!!!
survoje
12/01/2016
"It's a blast"... mind-blowing!!!
I'm carefully copying your method tip into my music notebook if I ever venture into those accordion high places!
Thanks to you, I understand how it looks on paper :)
It's hard (I'm a pessimist :)) that one day it will reach my fingertips but it will always be so pleasant to listen to!
Thanks again for your explanations!
I'm carefully copying your method tip into my music notebook if I ever venture into those accordion high places!
Thanks to you, I understand how it looks on paper :)
It's hard (I'm a pessimist :)) that one day it will reach my fingertips but it will always be so pleasant to listen to!
Thanks again for your explanations!
jphf51
12/01/2016
Thank you for your message, but I am also only a modest amateur accordionist, there are still many things that I can't play (the 3rd variation of CA GAZE, not for me either!!) but when you know how others do it, it makes you want to stick to it. For the moment your level does not allow you to play all these scores but keep the hope by working that one day you will say ... but it was not more difficult than that ....
I remain at your disposal to enlighten you (within the limits of my knowledge) and do not hesitate to ask your questions on the forum, we are here to help each other.
Continue to enjoy your accordion (which is very beautiful on the picture)
J-Pierre
I remain at your disposal to enlighten you (within the limits of my knowledge) and do not hesitate to ask your questions on the forum, we are here to help each other.
Continue to enjoy your accordion (which is very beautiful on the picture)
J-Pierre
survoje
14/01/2016
The accordion? a small saltarelle 60 basses! We get along well :)
I have more questions waiting, thanks to the forum!
SincerelyGérard
I have more questions waiting, thanks to the forum!
SincerelyGérard
