Hello everyone,
Last night / during the night, the site was very slow and almost inaccessible.
We apologize for the inconvenience, these are technical problems that happen especially when there is a lot of traffic on an architecture that has just been launched.
These are problems that also happened with the old site.
We are obviously working to ensure that this does not happen again.
In case you encounter this kind of problems in the future, please let us know on the support and we thank you in advance for your patience.
Last night / during the night, the site was very slow and almost inaccessible.
We apologize for the inconvenience, these are technical problems that happen especially when there is a lot of traffic on an architecture that has just been launched.
These are problems that also happened with the old site.
We are obviously working to ensure that this does not happen again.
In case you encounter this kind of problems in the future, please let us know on the support and we thank you in advance for your patience.
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Skyraider
13/12/2020
The fact that they have to be told about the anomalies as if they didn't know about them is worrying for their good faith
slade
13/12/2020
Hi skyraider,
rather than commenting on every discussion in a non-constructive way, why not contact us directly so that we can solve the problem?
rather than commenting on every discussion in a non-constructive way, why not contact us directly so that we can solve the problem?
slade
13/12/2020
Hello,
following the problems of slowness, we have changed the server. We hope that this will solve the problems.
following the problems of slowness, we have changed the server. We hope that this will solve the problems.
malagros
13/12/2020
Hello, do not worry, the world is not made in a day. Good luck and pleasure
Unknown
14/12/2020
Hello Malagros and thanks for the support :)
Hello. I just registered on your site, for the 5 free days. This site is extremely slow, more than 30 seconds between each page and some requests do not succeed. It is not very attractive to use the premium version! Is this second version without publicity, since it is paid? Thank you for your answers
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Skyraider
12/12/2020
Why did you change the site that worked well before. We can't use it anymore, we can't have a partition
brigitte21
12/12/2020
I don't know the old site, but this one doesn't make me want to pay the annual fee!
Skyraider
12/12/2020
The old site worked fine, but this one is a disaster. I paid and I feel like I was cheated
Unknown
13/12/2020
Hello brigitte21 and skyraider, the slowness that you undergo on the site is due to a technical problem and is not at all the "norm" of the site. Skyraider, the new site is faster than the old one on all the tests made and keeps all the features present on the old one, we just added some (library, events...) and we made it adaptable to mobiles and tablets. It takes some time to get used to it, but the habits come back quickly. We are sincerely sorry for the inconvenience caused by this technical problem, we will come back to you as soon as we have fixed it!
Unknown
13/12/2020
Premium subscribers do not have ads on the site!
Skyraider
13/12/2020
They don't have sheet music either!
slade
13/12/2020
Hello brigitte21,
following the problems of slowness, we changed the server. Hoping that this will solve the problems.
following the problems of slowness, we changed the server. Hoping that this will solve the problems.
Hello to all,
I will remain neutral, as you can imagine, my role is not to show my BAFA ...
Thank you all for your answers which show that everyone is aware of the "work" done and that is already very "reassuring"!
I expose my point of view:
- I believe as Slade said (and often Jmimi), that the
site is not always clear for the "new" registered ....
this is the reason why we are currently working together to make it easier to understand from the start ... and this, in the new version in preparation ...
- First of all, we need a "RULES" visible from the beginning, explicit, a good support for a "good entry" on P. A ... even if it is automatically received at each registration OR re-registration ....
I am very far from blaming anyone, I the first one was not always at the Top from my arrival ... even if, from the beginning I tried to understand not to be too noticed ... (ok, it's a waste of time, to say that I asked Slade to be incognito as an administrator ....., not possible ... and even, I wanted to file incognito ... not possible too, so I might as well go for it!!!)
Of course, the goal of this site is sharing ... when I say sharing, we can also hear GIVING, INDIVIDUAL SHARING (yeah it's weird ....!! but true), in a word DO NOT EXPECT A RETURN ... Like any donation, it's logical !!!
It is necessary to recognize that it is to give of oneself, of its time, and that each depositor made an effort to seek (duplicates, titles, etc...), to scan, which leads me to say that I respect any deposit, any partition (each one has the right to have different tastes, to find what its neighbor would never have sought ....)
Therefore, I only RARELY allow myself to delete a score, even a not very beautiful one ... waiting for better ...
Only the duplicates "jump" and I always warn the depositor in M.P ... It's also respect !!!
Let's talk about deposits :
- I think that it would be necessary that each one is reasoned, and do not have
suddenly "the day with 10000 deposits per hour" !!!, too much at once, seems to
at the same time, seems to harm ... indeed, opening, closing, reopening, does not bring
the interest that each partition should have .... abandonment
can also rhyme with saturation ... dance (there, it rhymes) ..
Ok, that I remain concentrated ... so, from 5 to 6 scores by member, (wishing to deposit) that seems reasonable, and much easier to manage, if so, Cindou will not crack any more !!! than to open 10000 scores in one day ....
and thus, each one, will take time "to try to scan well" to present well (as himself would like to find a score...), and the work of each one will be also respected, that can indeed be understood that to find itself in 4th page at the end of 10 minutes discourages a person who has just scanned...
and each score can also be appreciated .....
Uh, I'm not too long ????? Well, I took the time to answer ....
Your support can help, I repeat, BUT, to report a duplicate, a typing error, everything IS GOOD TO TAKE!!! and, to my great dismay if few members do .... that, it is distressing to see that an empty file, an incomplete partition, and so on are downloaded without any report sniff!!! don't you find that sad ????
To finish (if it can ..) on P.A, many have their role, the one we are WELL used to .... :
- We will find those who help a lot by answering the forum THANK YOU to them .....
- Those who are more gifted to file THANK YOU to them too
AND those who are very good at their market .... well, there must be some too ....
Come on, stop ..... Excellent weekend to ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION !!!!!
I will remain neutral, as you can imagine, my role is not to show my BAFA ...
Thank you all for your answers which show that everyone is aware of the "work" done and that is already very "reassuring"!
I expose my point of view:
- I believe as Slade said (and often Jmimi), that the
site is not always clear for the "new" registered ....
this is the reason why we are currently working together to make it easier to understand from the start ... and this, in the new version in preparation ...
- First of all, we need a "RULES" visible from the beginning, explicit, a good support for a "good entry" on P. A ... even if it is automatically received at each registration OR re-registration ....
I am very far from blaming anyone, I the first one was not always at the Top from my arrival ... even if, from the beginning I tried to understand not to be too noticed ... (ok, it's a waste of time, to say that I asked Slade to be incognito as an administrator ....., not possible ... and even, I wanted to file incognito ... not possible too, so I might as well go for it!!!)
Of course, the goal of this site is sharing ... when I say sharing, we can also hear GIVING, INDIVIDUAL SHARING (yeah it's weird ....!! but true), in a word DO NOT EXPECT A RETURN ... Like any donation, it's logical !!!
It is necessary to recognize that it is to give of oneself, of its time, and that each depositor made an effort to seek (duplicates, titles, etc...), to scan, which leads me to say that I respect any deposit, any partition (each one has the right to have different tastes, to find what its neighbor would never have sought ....)
Therefore, I only RARELY allow myself to delete a score, even a not very beautiful one ... waiting for better ...
Only the duplicates "jump" and I always warn the depositor in M.P ... It's also respect !!!
Let's talk about deposits :
- I think that it would be necessary that each one is reasoned, and do not have
suddenly "the day with 10000 deposits per hour" !!!, too much at once, seems to
at the same time, seems to harm ... indeed, opening, closing, reopening, does not bring
the interest that each partition should have .... abandonment
can also rhyme with saturation ... dance (there, it rhymes) ..
Ok, that I remain concentrated ... so, from 5 to 6 scores by member, (wishing to deposit) that seems reasonable, and much easier to manage, if so, Cindou will not crack any more !!! than to open 10000 scores in one day ....
and thus, each one, will take time "to try to scan well" to present well (as himself would like to find a score...), and the work of each one will be also respected, that can indeed be understood that to find itself in 4th page at the end of 10 minutes discourages a person who has just scanned...
and each score can also be appreciated .....
Uh, I'm not too long ????? Well, I took the time to answer ....
Your support can help, I repeat, BUT, to report a duplicate, a typing error, everything IS GOOD TO TAKE!!! and, to my great dismay if few members do .... that, it is distressing to see that an empty file, an incomplete partition, and so on are downloaded without any report sniff!!! don't you find that sad ????
To finish (if it can ..) on P.A, many have their role, the one we are WELL used to .... :
- We will find those who help a lot by answering the forum THANK YOU to them .....
- Those who are more gifted to file THANK YOU to them too
AND those who are very good at their market .... well, there must be some too ....
Come on, stop ..... Excellent weekend to ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION !!!!!
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Unknown
24/02/2015
Hello Cindou. It is without moderation that I agree with your point of view. I am one of those with 10000 scores per hour, but that was at the beginning, I wanted to share everything with those who have trouble finding their happiness, because the old editions have disappeared, or no longer have any heirs, or at least interested. I always watch the depositions to see if I like this one. What a surprise !!!! I had when I saw downloads on invisible or unreadable deposits. At the beginning I was skating in the sand, and you helped me, however when I deposited, too quickly it is true! I was wrong title or score, and this one was still downloaded. What's the point??? that's why I adopt your point of view. This week I am waiting for a small return, which will be put on p.a, in drops, and as right to consume with moderation.
jodi
11/08/2015
Good evening Cindou11
If at the beginning of the year I didn't answer your post it's only because I was and still am 100% of your opinion in everything you write.
When I read Harmojack's answer of February 24, I see to this day that his sentences were well turned and that he would respect the
" Rules" of P-A.
But this is not the case at all, he is posting what he has in score and soon no member will have the pleasure to post theirs.
It is a pity and a pity at the same time to arrive at this stage of conviviality.
We are not all on this nice site to compete in the number of deposits.
This is my humble opinion.
Have a nice evening.
Jodi
If at the beginning of the year I didn't answer your post it's only because I was and still am 100% of your opinion in everything you write.
When I read Harmojack's answer of February 24, I see to this day that his sentences were well turned and that he would respect the
" Rules" of P-A.
But this is not the case at all, he is posting what he has in score and soon no member will have the pleasure to post theirs.
It is a pity and a pity at the same time to arrive at this stage of conviviality.
We are not all on this nice site to compete in the number of deposits.
This is my humble opinion.
Have a nice evening.
Jodi
dan95
11/08/2015
Hi Jodi,
You took the words out of my mouth...I wanted to answer in a day or two.
Let's respect the work of our cindou, let's not forget that it's VOLUNTEERING...I had already told slade that he was very lucky to "have her".
I think she's having a major meltdown because she usually rushes through the day's corrections and now ...disgusted!
If we want P.A. to remain P.A. that is to say a unique site let's respect her advice above.
Last thing, be careful what you write in M.P. because it makes the turn...this person will recognize himself.
Good evening.
Daniel
You took the words out of my mouth...I wanted to answer in a day or two.
Let's respect the work of our cindou, let's not forget that it's VOLUNTEERING...I had already told slade that he was very lucky to "have her".
I think she's having a major meltdown because she usually rushes through the day's corrections and now ...disgusted!
If we want P.A. to remain P.A. that is to say a unique site let's respect her advice above.
Last thing, be careful what you write in M.P. because it makes the turn...this person will recognize himself.
Good evening.
Daniel
Unknown
11/08/2015
Hello to all. No doubt that this person has recognized himself since it is indeed me. So let's proceed by order; history to put the pendulums on time. CINDOU, knew with the approval of its assistance me named (blackmailer) among other things on what I concider as being classified and this thanks to the comprehention and the intelligence of Slade. I therefore acted like a child, going back on my words (see above) and under the aegis of anger to show that it was not so. I admit it is not very pleasant, but at least dancing (understand who can). JODI, I am not surprised by your reaction, but I have a small question, to enlighten me. On this forum, answer to a discussion, you have textually said "I have 20 000" pieces!!! your last deposit (Delance, Bredif, Sylvain Bouc) and tomorrow ????? sites on the Internet (contrary to the policy of the well founded of this site) Question: do not sweep your door before taking care of that of the other ????? DAN95 for you I regret sincerely, see you in is people who say to be your friends, and who torpedo you of best that they can, I have only returned this ball which makes so much pain, is all. tomorrow I take again my small train train !!!!!! excuse me my friend. JACK
jodi
12/08/2015
Hello to all of you.
Here I am now accused by Mr. Harmojack of depositing scores which are I admit for some to this day in free download on the sites of certain accordionists, but by which they were offered to me by them even according to my request.
What was not current on the Net when I received the scores by postal mail by sympathy of these musicians or orchestras.
I have to specify that I view in no case the sites of these musicians for illicit downloads whatever they are.
The human contact is the best way to bond a comradeship, to talk on the phone and to ask for what it would be nice to receive from the Pro's of the scene.
Also I "openly" said some time ago that I have about 20,000 scores in my possession, in reality, on my hard drives and not counting the P-A repositories I have about 33,700.
And for the good form, I would like that Mr. Jack, who likes by his musical knowledge... does not make fun of some and others as a certain Mr. Frerik did in his time.
If such a zizanie (in see you in here) persists on the site, my favorite site which is not other than P-A I will not hesitate to unsubscribe Illico-presto
Greetings to all members
Here I am now accused by Mr. Harmojack of depositing scores which are I admit for some to this day in free download on the sites of certain accordionists, but by which they were offered to me by them even according to my request.
What was not current on the Net when I received the scores by postal mail by sympathy of these musicians or orchestras.
I have to specify that I view in no case the sites of these musicians for illicit downloads whatever they are.
The human contact is the best way to bond a comradeship, to talk on the phone and to ask for what it would be nice to receive from the Pro's of the scene.
Also I "openly" said some time ago that I have about 20,000 scores in my possession, in reality, on my hard drives and not counting the P-A repositories I have about 33,700.
And for the good form, I would like that Mr. Jack, who likes by his musical knowledge... does not make fun of some and others as a certain Mr. Frerik did in his time.
If such a zizanie (in see you in here) persists on the site, my favorite site which is not other than P-A I will not hesitate to unsubscribe Illico-presto
Greetings to all members
Unknown
12/08/2015
Jodi !!!!!!! I feel sorry to have attacked you in this way. Imagine people joining forces to harm you morally and in full view of everyone, won't you reply? Jodi, you should know that I have nothing in common with Frerik, I am open to dialogue, without resorting to words such as those he used. Following a difference as I explained to Dan, I acted in a protest that I regret very sincerely. We were conversing together in all simplicity; and here is like a house of cards a friendship which collapses. So Jodi, I want to openly apologize to you and ask you to forget this unfortunate incident, unworthy of an adult. Let's forget about this nonsense. Once again, I apologize to all of you, let's be friends !!!!
slade
13/08/2015
Hello,
No zizanie (to use your words jodi) will last. Cindou and I are pretty tired of all the stupid stories that waste our time...
We are not schoolmistresses. Harmojack has indicated his choice to leave P-A. So be it. And if he doesn't. I invite him to leave the drama and tears behind once and for all so that everyone doesn't waste their time.
The discussion is closed, as are all the others that are pointless, baseless and without results.
It's sad that in a community of responsible adults we find ourselves playing the policeman for nothing more relevant than schoolyard pranks.
I would not tolerate either that a member, for futile reasons, continues to abuse the forum and to provoke the rest of the community at the risk, as you said jodi, of destroying the existing atmosphere and of harming the rest of the members globally.
No zizanie (to use your words jodi) will last. Cindou and I are pretty tired of all the stupid stories that waste our time...
We are not schoolmistresses. Harmojack has indicated his choice to leave P-A. So be it. And if he doesn't. I invite him to leave the drama and tears behind once and for all so that everyone doesn't waste their time.
The discussion is closed, as are all the others that are pointless, baseless and without results.
It's sad that in a community of responsible adults we find ourselves playing the policeman for nothing more relevant than schoolyard pranks.
I would not tolerate either that a member, for futile reasons, continues to abuse the forum and to provoke the rest of the community at the risk, as you said jodi, of destroying the existing atmosphere and of harming the rest of the members globally.
Hello to all,
I have heard that a certain person who I will not name, has circulated an email to invite members to leave the site.
I find this extremely sad and I can't understand what the purpose of wanting to harm a site that we have praised and in which we have invested a lot.
Is it a desire to regain leadership?
Is it jealousy, frustration?
Is it to harm P-A or me?
I don't know but I find it regrettable. It also seems that some people see me as a profiteer who tries to take advantage of the community for my own personal gain.
I want to clarify several things about my background.
I have a masters degree in computer science, I recently made a dangerous choice in my personal life by leaving a job as a computer developer in a big company with a big salary to be able to devote myself to P-A and make it live the best I can.
It's been more than 3 years now that I'm taking care of this site and the 3 versions that have been made, that I answer your mails, requests, discussions, that I take care of the development and that I try to make sure that everything is going well.
In my field I would have dozens of better ways to make money than accordion scores, please believe me... Making websites is my job and I could exploit many threads if my goal was as some believe to get rich...
Instead I dedicate myself to the growing P-A community with the aim not to earn millions - which would not happen anyway - but to continue to make the site evolve, to make it a reference in the field of accordion and an unavoidable site in the field of music.
The contribution once again is only to allow me to offer to P-A the structure adapted in it has need and for me to be able to eat and to take care of P-A.
The contribution is fixed at 15 euros because it is a test, because I have no idea if it will even be enough, if it turns out to be too much I can assure you with great pleasure that it will be lowered or even removed if the publicity becomes at some point sufficient.
I don't understand how you can think that, I sincerely thought I had your trust and respect and I realize that some people don't hesitate to change their mind as well as their shirt on the goodness of the site and my intentions. For what purpose I don't know...
If there is anything I can do to make these people listen to reason, I would be happy to show them that one does not go from passionate volunteer to capitalist profiteer in 24 hours.
To come back to the email that invites to deregistration, I think it's a sad attitude and very little respectful of the community, of P-A and of myself. And I invite these people to ask themselves what could justify so much hate towards the site? This site that they were praising yesterday and that today they are trying to destroy.
I think that the people who will recognize themselves in this message - I do not speak about all the radiations, some of them can be well founded - have anyway nothing to do here.
And I will be glad to show them the way out, I don't want to stroke people, I have been repeating myself many times and trying to explain the why and wherefore of this, with backlash that is on the one hand, premeditated and gratuitously nasty.
So how does it happen. I made the proposal to karandre to write courses in exchange of a premium status - the only fair way to compensate him for his investment without creating jealousy - which he refused and I offer this possibility to whoever is interested, in order to make up for people who don't want to pay but still want to invest in the community.
You can do it, the course section will open very soon and it would be a good way to satisfy everyone.
P-A is going through a stormy patch, and that's normal, a drastic change in operation can only bring about a drastic change in the community.
The site will remain the same, as long as it will be good to live between you, as long as the exchanges will continue (and it is the case), as long as you will continue to feed the forum, to maintain you between you, and to bring your knowledge to the others. The spirit of P-A will remain the same, and it will be enriched by the new sections which are coming and which are also one of the reasons of the contribution considering the work which they represent (I think in particular of the music section).
The storm will pass and I notice that the noise always comes as usual from a minority that wants to be heard. I have nothing against that, P-A is a free speech area, I do not censor any message even those that give links to download for free because I do not want to pose as a censor of all that.
I just think that before spoiling the website, the best would be to be honest with everyone, to expose his goal, his motivations and the why of the thing.
But this is not a strike, this is the beginning of the new site, the turmoil was to be expected and the site will endure through this, the site existed before these departures, it will continue to exist after them.
Thank you.
I have heard that a certain person who I will not name, has circulated an email to invite members to leave the site.
I find this extremely sad and I can't understand what the purpose of wanting to harm a site that we have praised and in which we have invested a lot.
Is it a desire to regain leadership?
Is it jealousy, frustration?
Is it to harm P-A or me?
I don't know but I find it regrettable. It also seems that some people see me as a profiteer who tries to take advantage of the community for my own personal gain.
I want to clarify several things about my background.
I have a masters degree in computer science, I recently made a dangerous choice in my personal life by leaving a job as a computer developer in a big company with a big salary to be able to devote myself to P-A and make it live the best I can.
It's been more than 3 years now that I'm taking care of this site and the 3 versions that have been made, that I answer your mails, requests, discussions, that I take care of the development and that I try to make sure that everything is going well.
In my field I would have dozens of better ways to make money than accordion scores, please believe me... Making websites is my job and I could exploit many threads if my goal was as some believe to get rich...
Instead I dedicate myself to the growing P-A community with the aim not to earn millions - which would not happen anyway - but to continue to make the site evolve, to make it a reference in the field of accordion and an unavoidable site in the field of music.
The contribution once again is only to allow me to offer to P-A the structure adapted in it has need and for me to be able to eat and to take care of P-A.
The contribution is fixed at 15 euros because it is a test, because I have no idea if it will even be enough, if it turns out to be too much I can assure you with great pleasure that it will be lowered or even removed if the publicity becomes at some point sufficient.
I don't understand how you can think that, I sincerely thought I had your trust and respect and I realize that some people don't hesitate to change their mind as well as their shirt on the goodness of the site and my intentions. For what purpose I don't know...
If there is anything I can do to make these people listen to reason, I would be happy to show them that one does not go from passionate volunteer to capitalist profiteer in 24 hours.
To come back to the email that invites to deregistration, I think it's a sad attitude and very little respectful of the community, of P-A and of myself. And I invite these people to ask themselves what could justify so much hate towards the site? This site that they were praising yesterday and that today they are trying to destroy.
I think that the people who will recognize themselves in this message - I do not speak about all the radiations, some of them can be well founded - have anyway nothing to do here.
And I will be glad to show them the way out, I don't want to stroke people, I have been repeating myself many times and trying to explain the why and wherefore of this, with backlash that is on the one hand, premeditated and gratuitously nasty.
So how does it happen. I made the proposal to karandre to write courses in exchange of a premium status - the only fair way to compensate him for his investment without creating jealousy - which he refused and I offer this possibility to whoever is interested, in order to make up for people who don't want to pay but still want to invest in the community.
You can do it, the course section will open very soon and it would be a good way to satisfy everyone.
P-A is going through a stormy patch, and that's normal, a drastic change in operation can only bring about a drastic change in the community.
The site will remain the same, as long as it will be good to live between you, as long as the exchanges will continue (and it is the case), as long as you will continue to feed the forum, to maintain you between you, and to bring your knowledge to the others. The spirit of P-A will remain the same, and it will be enriched by the new sections which are coming and which are also one of the reasons of the contribution considering the work which they represent (I think in particular of the music section).
The storm will pass and I notice that the noise always comes as usual from a minority that wants to be heard. I have nothing against that, P-A is a free speech area, I do not censor any message even those that give links to download for free because I do not want to pose as a censor of all that.
I just think that before spoiling the website, the best would be to be honest with everyone, to expose his goal, his motivations and the why of the thing.
But this is not a strike, this is the beginning of the new site, the turmoil was to be expected and the site will endure through this, the site existed before these departures, it will continue to exist after them.
Thank you.
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andre59
31/07/2012
Thank you for this long message which will perhaps allow to put back the flock in the good way. I find this site very enriching in all point of view and I wish him long life.
André
André
chaborel
31/07/2012
This is the message I was waiting for THANK YOU
DANY 14
01/08/2012
Hello to all,
Indeed, the message of Slade is very clear and it is, I think, what many of us expected. I can understand that a member does not find himself in the new site (membership fee, the impression that some people come to shop like in the supermarket, etc.), that he asks to be removed from the site, it is a decision that concerns him and that I respect, but why ask to remove all that he has so kindly offered free of charge to the site when he participated in its operation? Yes, these scores and these discussions would remain available to people who do their shopping but especially to the majority of members who still consider PA.com as a site of exchange and who believe in its development
This is only my opinion, but I find this move very regrettable.
I could not connect to the site for a month (the wifi connection was very bad) I learned the departure of Karandré, it's true that nobody is indispensable, but his departure puts PA.com in mourning. It was the most active and most responsive member of the site, his advice and tips were very valuable and he was always ready to help us. Although we can find him on other sites, he will be sorely missed at PA.com but his decision is his own.
Good day to all and good luck to Slade for his come back on August 5th.
Best wishes.
Daniel
Indeed, the message of Slade is very clear and it is, I think, what many of us expected. I can understand that a member does not find himself in the new site (membership fee, the impression that some people come to shop like in the supermarket, etc.), that he asks to be removed from the site, it is a decision that concerns him and that I respect, but why ask to remove all that he has so kindly offered free of charge to the site when he participated in its operation? Yes, these scores and these discussions would remain available to people who do their shopping but especially to the majority of members who still consider PA.com as a site of exchange and who believe in its development
This is only my opinion, but I find this move very regrettable.
I could not connect to the site for a month (the wifi connection was very bad) I learned the departure of Karandré, it's true that nobody is indispensable, but his departure puts PA.com in mourning. It was the most active and most responsive member of the site, his advice and tips were very valuable and he was always ready to help us. Although we can find him on other sites, he will be sorely missed at PA.com but his decision is his own.
Good day to all and good luck to Slade for his come back on August 5th.
Best wishes.
Daniel
Hello Dany
I understand very well the meaning of your intervention but you should not attribute to Karandré my own words: the story of the large surface emanates from my person as well as the problems relating to politeness and conviviality... I may have also missed a message from Lionel in which he made the same remarks ???
I don't think that he will come back on the site to justify his remarks, that's why I think that we can also understand the fact that he doesn't want to leave a trace of his passage on the site ... I think that everyone would have the same reaction !
Well, I would have reacted like him and so I understand him ...
It is for what I already explained that I am still on the site (not to supervise and check that his "wishes" at the time of his departure are realized!)
I gave myself some time to think about it and I haven't finished it yet ... I think I'm waiting to see, understand exactly where PA is going but the first incidents, don't suit me much ....
Slade is all alone to manage the site that's why he is overwhelmed ...
so, he wants it well ... a website runs with a staff ... it's been 6 days that huge bugs rot my life on the site and I have to wait another 6 days to hope for a resolution ???
Any amateur computer scientist could surely have solved these problems since it is with the modification of the message editor that the problem returned ......
It would have also avoided him to be almost 24 hours a day at the monitoring of the site and would have left him the time to have other occupations remunerative or not !!!!!
to be continued (at least as long as I am still ''premium'')
jmimi
PS: I assure you that I didn't receive any mail asking me to resign, otherwise why would I have a premium account!
However I frequent Lionel on other websites (Yahoo and Karaoké and midi etc.) and in private messaging ....
I understand very well the meaning of your intervention but you should not attribute to Karandré my own words: the story of the large surface emanates from my person as well as the problems relating to politeness and conviviality... I may have also missed a message from Lionel in which he made the same remarks ???
I don't think that he will come back on the site to justify his remarks, that's why I think that we can also understand the fact that he doesn't want to leave a trace of his passage on the site ... I think that everyone would have the same reaction !
Well, I would have reacted like him and so I understand him ...
It is for what I already explained that I am still on the site (not to supervise and check that his "wishes" at the time of his departure are realized!)
I gave myself some time to think about it and I haven't finished it yet ... I think I'm waiting to see, understand exactly where PA is going but the first incidents, don't suit me much ....
Slade is all alone to manage the site that's why he is overwhelmed ...
so, he wants it well ... a website runs with a staff ... it's been 6 days that huge bugs rot my life on the site and I have to wait another 6 days to hope for a resolution ???
Any amateur computer scientist could surely have solved these problems since it is with the modification of the message editor that the problem returned ......
It would have also avoided him to be almost 24 hours a day at the monitoring of the site and would have left him the time to have other occupations remunerative or not !!!!!
to be continued (at least as long as I am still ''premium'')
jmimi
PS: I assure you that I didn't receive any mail asking me to resign, otherwise why would I have a premium account!
However I frequent Lionel on other websites (Yahoo and Karaoké and midi etc.) and in private messaging ....
DANY 14
01/08/2012
Hello Jmimi,
I also confirm that I never received any email asking me to leave PA.com, neither from Lionel nor from any other member. to leave PA.com, neither from Lionel nor from any other member. to Lionel, but it is the feeling that hangs on the site, I speak about the on the site, I speak about the lambda member who leaves the site (which is , What I am saying is that a decision like this is surely not decision like this one is surely not thoughtless, it is meditated and I can understand that on a whim we want all traces of its passage disappears but more at the time of writing its termination. It reminds me of the person who resigns from his job and who does everything to undermine what he has achieved during his activity, I do not find it very gratifying I don't find that very gratifying, but again, that's just my opinion. my opinion.
As for Slade, of course we pay and if we pay, it is to have a site that works. to have a site that works. Slade has put in service in disaster the new site because some members had already paid on the old version and he did not version and he did not want them to be prejudiced compared to the rest of the subscribers. Then, he had problems with the internet (technical problem if I understand correctly). technical problem if I understand correctly), so let's be lenient and wait to see how it all evolves before to see how all this will evolve before shooting him in the foot. For the moment, he works alone but who says that he will not be assisted (he has all the assistance (he has offered on the site to take care of the course part) and the and the contribution, that many curse, will surely help him in this sense. surely help him in this direction.
I wish you and all the friends of PA.com a good evening.
Sincerely
Daniel.
I also confirm that I never received any email asking me to leave PA.com, neither from Lionel nor from any other member. to leave PA.com, neither from Lionel nor from any other member. to Lionel, but it is the feeling that hangs on the site, I speak about the on the site, I speak about the lambda member who leaves the site (which is , What I am saying is that a decision like this is surely not decision like this one is surely not thoughtless, it is meditated and I can understand that on a whim we want all traces of its passage disappears but more at the time of writing its termination. It reminds me of the person who resigns from his job and who does everything to undermine what he has achieved during his activity, I do not find it very gratifying I don't find that very gratifying, but again, that's just my opinion. my opinion.
As for Slade, of course we pay and if we pay, it is to have a site that works. to have a site that works. Slade has put in service in disaster the new site because some members had already paid on the old version and he did not version and he did not want them to be prejudiced compared to the rest of the subscribers. Then, he had problems with the internet (technical problem if I understand correctly). technical problem if I understand correctly), so let's be lenient and wait to see how it all evolves before to see how all this will evolve before shooting him in the foot. For the moment, he works alone but who says that he will not be assisted (he has all the assistance (he has offered on the site to take care of the course part) and the and the contribution, that many curse, will surely help him in this sense. surely help him in this direction.
I wish you and all the friends of PA.com a good evening.
Sincerely
Daniel.
Thank you Dany and good evening to you too
Musically.
jmimi
Musically.
jmimi
arzhvaelig
11/03/2023
Your site is very nice, continue.
They say that music softens the morals, the rowers are bad musicians, bravo to you
They say that music softens the morals, the rowers are bad musicians, bravo to you
arzhvaelig
11/03/2023
Grumblers
Hello,
I have been registered for some time on PA and I notice that there is a lot of commotion lately and I realize that all this commotion is about the membership fee.
I was about to pay this 15 € which as it is written on the site by Slade is only 1.25 € per month, or a few coffees as others have rightly said.
In the meantime, I realize the great defection of many members, some of whom ensured the success of this site.
As a result, I have a completely different view of this membership fee.
We are justified these 15 € by the costs of hosting and maintenance of the site.
A pro hosting at Ovh with 100 GB of disk space and unlimited traffic costs only 6 € per month. This represents an annual cost of 72 € TTC.
I wonder about the additional costs that would justify an annual fee of 15 € per member.
Because if half of the members pay the 15 € it will make 60000 € of budget what allows to make gold-plated posts.
If only 10% of the members pay their membership fee, this will still cover the costs.
But, only 10% of the members contribute, certainly the cost of the site will be absorbed but it is not a few dozen members that will give the interest of a site with 8000 members.
I'm sorry to throw the pavement in the pond, and I know that I will attract the wrath of some people, but don't you think that this site is self-sabotaging?
I know that I didn't put any scores on the site and that people will call me a profiteer, but I was mainly taking advantage of the forum part because I was finding there interesting readings and very appropriate discussions in a spirit of conviviality that you are losing.
Of course, I didn't deposit any scores, but you should know that on other forums, when I can, I am not the last one to help the people who ask for help, credibility is not only measured by the number of messages or scores.
Don't forget that an amateur site lives above all from the active participation of its members and not from financing
So, I wanted to share with you my feelings of these last few days.
Pasque
I have been registered for some time on PA and I notice that there is a lot of commotion lately and I realize that all this commotion is about the membership fee.
I was about to pay this 15 € which as it is written on the site by Slade is only 1.25 € per month, or a few coffees as others have rightly said.
In the meantime, I realize the great defection of many members, some of whom ensured the success of this site.
As a result, I have a completely different view of this membership fee.
We are justified these 15 € by the costs of hosting and maintenance of the site.
A pro hosting at Ovh with 100 GB of disk space and unlimited traffic costs only 6 € per month. This represents an annual cost of 72 € TTC.
I wonder about the additional costs that would justify an annual fee of 15 € per member.
Because if half of the members pay the 15 € it will make 60000 € of budget what allows to make gold-plated posts.
If only 10% of the members pay their membership fee, this will still cover the costs.
But, only 10% of the members contribute, certainly the cost of the site will be absorbed but it is not a few dozen members that will give the interest of a site with 8000 members.
I'm sorry to throw the pavement in the pond, and I know that I will attract the wrath of some people, but don't you think that this site is self-sabotaging?
I know that I didn't put any scores on the site and that people will call me a profiteer, but I was mainly taking advantage of the forum part because I was finding there interesting readings and very appropriate discussions in a spirit of conviviality that you are losing.
Of course, I didn't deposit any scores, but you should know that on other forums, when I can, I am not the last one to help the people who ask for help, credibility is not only measured by the number of messages or scores.
Don't forget that an amateur site lives above all from the active participation of its members and not from financing
So, I wanted to share with you my feelings of these last few days.
Pasque
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Hello
Thank you Pasque for your post which is very clear ...
the participation of each one, I think, is done individually, at its level!
We can also add some expenses in proportion to the time spent by the 'webmaster-creator' of the site ...
The fact is that he is the only one to manage the whole site at the functional level... it's a huge job with 8 000 subscribers ! and he will have to work a lot to take care of everything correctly !
I know a lot of websites and most of them work with a staff that grows with the number of members: a team composed of graphic designers, ''programmers'' often young students in computer science, moderators who check the different subjects and reframe them in the right places (I even had a 13 year old who did that very well), a member or 2 creators who oversee the whole thing, animators ... etc.
It is the work of a team, each one at his level, which makes that all occurs well (there are nevertheless times or that it messes up...) but the team recovers quickly on feet... in addition to that it supports itself!
This also relieves everyone of other tedious tasks: you have to know how to manage yourself by defining the roles of each person in charge! It's like at work after all!
to be continued!
jmimi
Thank you Pasque for your post which is very clear ...
the participation of each one, I think, is done individually, at its level!
We can also add some expenses in proportion to the time spent by the 'webmaster-creator' of the site ...
The fact is that he is the only one to manage the whole site at the functional level... it's a huge job with 8 000 subscribers ! and he will have to work a lot to take care of everything correctly !
I know a lot of websites and most of them work with a staff that grows with the number of members: a team composed of graphic designers, ''programmers'' often young students in computer science, moderators who check the different subjects and reframe them in the right places (I even had a 13 year old who did that very well), a member or 2 creators who oversee the whole thing, animators ... etc.
It is the work of a team, each one at his level, which makes that all occurs well (there are nevertheless times or that it messes up...) but the team recovers quickly on feet... in addition to that it supports itself!
This also relieves everyone of other tedious tasks: you have to know how to manage yourself by defining the roles of each person in charge! It's like at work after all!
to be continued!
jmimi
slade
31/07/2012
Hi Pasque,
You are totally right to ask questions and I will try to clarify them.
The reason for the fee is for several reasons,
Firstly, as you said, the hosting fees. You have to know that a shared hosting on a hosting company costs in the order of 80$ per year which does not justify the fee.
However, a server rental, among other things, the purpose of setting up the fee is $ 80 per month, this is different.
The purpose of the fee is also to allow P-A to have a hosting worthy of its traffic. that everything runs smoothly, and that it is possible to make backups etc...
The second point and not the least, is the time I invest. I went from a few hours per week to almost full time or more the last weeks, I receive at least ten mails per day, without counting the bugs, the development, the administration etc...
And it's nice and good, and I love it, but, like all of you I have to eat too...
We are indeed very far from the 8000 premium members, otherwise the discussion would not be the same.
I am currently without internet and will be back on the web on August 6th which explains my long response time.
But know that 10% of regular members in premium members would already be a nice goal ...
Then I want to remind you that my goal is NOT to get rich on your back, the sum of 15 euros was defined in the topic on the old site and this is the solution that was retained.
If it turns out that 15 euros per year is more than enough, or even too much, the contribution will of course be reduced.
If it turns out that the advertisement comes to provide for all these needs then the contribution will be removed.
I would like you to know that my goal is to find solutions to try to satisfy the greatest number of people and not at all to exploit you or anything that could resemble it.
Thank you for your time.
You are totally right to ask questions and I will try to clarify them.
The reason for the fee is for several reasons,
Firstly, as you said, the hosting fees. You have to know that a shared hosting on a hosting company costs in the order of 80$ per year which does not justify the fee.
However, a server rental, among other things, the purpose of setting up the fee is $ 80 per month, this is different.
The purpose of the fee is also to allow P-A to have a hosting worthy of its traffic. that everything runs smoothly, and that it is possible to make backups etc...
The second point and not the least, is the time I invest. I went from a few hours per week to almost full time or more the last weeks, I receive at least ten mails per day, without counting the bugs, the development, the administration etc...
And it's nice and good, and I love it, but, like all of you I have to eat too...
We are indeed very far from the 8000 premium members, otherwise the discussion would not be the same.
I am currently without internet and will be back on the web on August 6th which explains my long response time.
But know that 10% of regular members in premium members would already be a nice goal ...
Then I want to remind you that my goal is NOT to get rich on your back, the sum of 15 euros was defined in the topic on the old site and this is the solution that was retained.
If it turns out that 15 euros per year is more than enough, or even too much, the contribution will of course be reduced.
If it turns out that the advertisement comes to provide for all these needs then the contribution will be removed.
I would like you to know that my goal is to find solutions to try to satisfy the greatest number of people and not at all to exploit you or anything that could resemble it.
Thank you for your time.
pasque
02/08/2012
Hi Slade,
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I must admit that, despite everything, your message, apart from the fact that it clarifies the reasons for this policy, does not convince me at first sight.
I remain convinced that the quality of a site is above all a question of members, participants and visitors and not a question of financial means.
I think it would have been better to surround yourself with a team of motivated and structured people to guarantee the durability of the site and to share the tasks.
You make the choice to realize everything by financing this work by the contribution. It is yours and I respect it.
I think that the site will work on its number of premium members (the figure of 8000 members does not mean anything anymore) and it is on this number that the attractiveness of the site will depend.
So I'm waiting to see in a few weeks the counter of premium members to decide if I join you or not.
Pasque
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I must admit that, despite everything, your message, apart from the fact that it clarifies the reasons for this policy, does not convince me at first sight.
I remain convinced that the quality of a site is above all a question of members, participants and visitors and not a question of financial means.
I think it would have been better to surround yourself with a team of motivated and structured people to guarantee the durability of the site and to share the tasks.
You make the choice to realize everything by financing this work by the contribution. It is yours and I respect it.
I think that the site will work on its number of premium members (the figure of 8000 members does not mean anything anymore) and it is on this number that the attractiveness of the site will depend.
So I'm waiting to see in a few weeks the counter of premium members to decide if I join you or not.
Pasque
slade
02/08/2012
It is expected to be added soon :)
