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Hello !
can we transform a 6/8 score into 3/4?
- theoretically ? is it acceptable by the "purists" ?
- practically ? does it give the same thing when played ? the 3/4 tempo being 2x the 6/8 ?
Are these 2 transcriptions below "equivalent" ?
the goal would be to "simplify" a score...
Thanks
can we transform a 6/8 score into 3/4?
- theoretically ? is it acceptable by the "purists" ?
- practically ? does it give the same thing when played ? the 3/4 tempo being 2x the 6/8 ?
Are these 2 transcriptions below "equivalent" ?
the goal would be to "simplify" a score...
Thanks
levinceret
09/01/2016
Hello,
No it's not the same!
The 6/8 measure is a measure in 2 beats which are divisible by 3 (so we say that it is a ternary rhythm).
The 3/4 measure is a measure in 3 beats divisible by 2 (so we say it's a binary rhythm).
To make it simple: a piece in 6/8 will be danced like a march, while a piece in 3/4 will be danced like a waltz.
When interpreting, pay attention to the strong beats (for 3/4 the strong beats are on the first beat, while in 6/8 the strong beats are on the first eighth note and on the fourth eighth note)
So, per bar, only one strong beat for the 3/4 and two strong beats for the 6/8.
The two examples are therefore completely different.
Sincerely
No it's not the same!
The 6/8 measure is a measure in 2 beats which are divisible by 3 (so we say that it is a ternary rhythm).
The 3/4 measure is a measure in 3 beats divisible by 2 (so we say it's a binary rhythm).
To make it simple: a piece in 6/8 will be danced like a march, while a piece in 3/4 will be danced like a waltz.
When interpreting, pay attention to the strong beats (for 3/4 the strong beats are on the first beat, while in 6/8 the strong beats are on the first eighth note and on the fourth eighth note)
So, per bar, only one strong beat for the 3/4 and two strong beats for the 6/8.
The two examples are therefore completely different.
Sincerely
survoje
09/01/2016
Thanks for the quick answer!
I had more or less understood that when we have the left hand on the accordion : bass_noire ---- eighth note - bass_noire --- eighth note | bass_noire --- eighth note bass_noire --- eighth note ....
but on this example (Tiersen's Waltz of the monsters), we have a "regular" accompaniment 1 - 2 - 3 :
eighth note - eighth note - eighth note - eighth note - eighth note...
Isn't it the same as "bass_black - quarter - black" with a different tempo?
On the youtube example of this waltz (?) you can count 1 - 2 - 3, certainly quickly!
Sincerely
I had more or less understood that when we have the left hand on the accordion : bass_noire ---- eighth note - bass_noire --- eighth note | bass_noire --- eighth note bass_noire --- eighth note ....
but on this example (Tiersen's Waltz of the monsters), we have a "regular" accompaniment 1 - 2 - 3 :
eighth note - eighth note - eighth note - eighth note - eighth note...
Isn't it the same as "bass_black - quarter - black" with a different tempo?
On the youtube example of this waltz (?) you can count 1 - 2 - 3, certainly quickly!
Sincerely
levinceret
09/01/2016
Hello,
In fact the waltz of the monsters is a waltz in 3/4
If you write it in 6/8 it becomes a march and not a waltz.
There is a very telling example:
The return of the swallows which is a waltz in 3/4 which is also played in 6/8, but this changes the piece completely.
Many accordionists finish this waltz in march.
Besides, you can play all waltzes in 6/8, but I don't see the point.
To conclude, writing in 3/4 means that it is a waltz while writing in 6/8 means that it is a march or a tarantella for example.
What is important is what a measure contains. In both examples the measures are not identical, so the interpretation is completely different.
Sincerely
NB: I'm looking for the return of the swallows with the two versions I've already seen on the net. If I get my hands on it again, I will post it.
In fact the waltz of the monsters is a waltz in 3/4
If you write it in 6/8 it becomes a march and not a waltz.
There is a very telling example:
The return of the swallows which is a waltz in 3/4 which is also played in 6/8, but this changes the piece completely.
Many accordionists finish this waltz in march.
Besides, you can play all waltzes in 6/8, but I don't see the point.
To conclude, writing in 3/4 means that it is a waltz while writing in 6/8 means that it is a march or a tarantella for example.
What is important is what a measure contains. In both examples the measures are not identical, so the interpretation is completely different.
Sincerely
NB: I'm looking for the return of the swallows with the two versions I've already seen on the net. If I get my hands on it again, I will post it.
survoje
09/01/2016
Thanks levinceret for your explanations!
Should I conclude that the score in 6/8 does not in fact correspond to the youtube piece?
I will look for versions of "return of the swallows" and try to pay attention to the listening!
Should I conclude that the score in 6/8 does not in fact correspond to the youtube piece?
I will look for versions of "return of the swallows" and try to pay attention to the listening!
levinceret
09/01/2016
Here is a tarantella that is written in 6/8. When you listen to it, it has nothing to do with a waltz. Normal because it is on a two-beat basis, as explained above.
survoje
09/01/2016
Now I can hear that it's not a 3/4.
I have to find a 6/8 piece, played in 3/4 to see the difference!
If I summarize, the piece of Tiersen put above is not in 6/8, it is 3/4 fast ?
I have to find a 6/8 piece, played in 3/4 to see the difference!
If I summarize, the piece of Tiersen put above is not in 6/8, it is 3/4 fast ?
jphf51
10/01/2016
Hello to all I allow myself just a small remark, on the rhythmic and "solfeggic" plan of the thing I agree entirely with you but let us take the case of the measure in 12/8 which is a ternary measure with 4 beats, this measure was very used in the Sixties for the slows-rocks. If you play for example the famous theme of Doctor Zhivago: "One day Lara" this piece is written in 12/8 and it is a slow-rock but diffuse this title on a dance floor and you will see very many dancers (at least the oldest) turning in waltz.Just to say: for us purists 6/8 or 12/8 and 3/4, nothing to see (accentuation of the strong time, rhythmic) but for the dancers many will not make the difference and you will be able to play very well a melody 6/8 or 12/8 in Waltz. Another example I invite you to listen to "LE CAFE DES 3 COLOMBES" of Joe Dassin Question: Waltz or Slow (12/8 or 3/4 ??)
Sincerely yours, Jean-Pierre
Sincerely yours, Jean-Pierre
survoje
10/01/2016
Thanks for the example of the "Café des Trois Colombes" on which I could hear the difference!
And I understand a little better the subtlety of it all!
Sincerely
Gérard
And I understand a little better the subtlety of it all!
Sincerely
Gérard
Résidence Haut2Gammes, St-Hippolyte, Aveyron, Occitanie
Résidence Haut2Gammes, St-Hippolyte, Aveyron, Occitanie
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